@Languages: eng, heb
@Participants: MOT Mother, FAT Father, DAF dafna Child, SHI shira Child, NET neta Child, KOB Kobi Investigator, XXX Unidentified
@Media: amis07b, audio, missing
@Transcriber: Tsipi Haitovsky
*KOB: and uh there's like corresponding colleagues in the states who made suggestions on what to uh +...
*KOB: xxx their consultancy.
*MOT: 0 [=! laugh].
*KOB: i understand it a [//] it seems to be a very big project.
*KOB: she says they'll be able to take the data and write lots of different articles from it eventually.
*MOT: ah that's interesting.
*FAT: depends what you're looking for.
*MOT: xxx shoshana xxx?
*MOT: is it shoshana?
*FAT: oh ya well we know shoshanna.
*KOB: how do you know her?
*MOT: from the university.
*FAT: from the university.
*KOB: she consults to the english department and +...
*FAT: no not really.
*FAT: <she gives courses and her field is in [/]> [>] is in linguistics.
*MOT: <xxx linguistics> [<].
*FAT: xxx linguistics.
*KOB: is it &ap it's more &social social linguistics xxx.
*MOT: maybe by now.
*FAT: i don't know what <she's> [>] up to now but eh +...
*MOT: <ya> [<].
*KOB: that's what this study it seems to me davka@s isn't applied +...
*FAT: its not applied linguistics xxx.
*KOB: i have to learn more about linguistics <(.)> [>] for myself.
*MOT: <right> [<].
*MOT: it's a whole field that's opening not opening but getting on with <xxx> [>].
*KOB: <my cousin> [<] [/] my cousin who i mentioned to you he's in charge of english at bar ilan is [/] is +/.
*FAT: joel werner?
*KOB: joel walters.
*KOB: he's a linguistics.
%act: neta wants to leave the table
*MOT: gamart@s ?
*FAT: you want to say goodbye?
*XXX: 0 [=! laugh].
*MOT: you don't want to sit with us you want to sit with xxx.
*FAT: you want to relax you want to switch seats?
*MOT: you had a hard day?
*MOT: 0 [=! laugh].
*KOB: is there new at the zoo?
*MOT: at the zoo?
*KOB: well you were at the zoo today right?
*KOB: no cause I'm thinking [//] my son is starting vacation on tuesday.
*MOT: so tell him what you did today or something i don't know what happen?
*KOB: do they have any new babies or?
*NET: <not really (.) nothing much> [=! shyly].
*MOT: you saw a lama.
*NET: ya but that [//] there wasn't anything like really new like.
*SHI: the zoo looks the same as it did six years ago and <seven> [>] years ago and eight years ago and nine years ago.
*NET: <ya> [<].
*MOT: but for a three year old (.) it'll be exciting.
*MOT: and did you also go in the row boat?
*DAF: who rowed?
*SHI: <the madrix@s > [>]?
*NET: <everybody> [<].
*NET: whoever wanted or &every [//] nobody [/] nobody knew on our boat nobody knew so it was like +...
*NET: +, so <one girl> [/] one girl knew a little and mixal just knew like +...
*DAF: did you row?
*NET: and so they taught us so the madrix@s like goes on and we were crashing into <people all the time> [=! laughs].
*MOT: you were going in circles?
*DAF: did you [//] anyone fall in the water?
*NET: no nobody fell in.
*FAT: remember xxx when we went in that paddle boat?
*FAT: that we [/] we +...
*MOT: with your feet.
*SHI: neta didn't want to.
*FAT: did neta go in the end?
*DAF: no she didn't.
*FAT: she stayed on the shore or she?
*FAT: <xxx> [>].
*SHI: <when we went> [<] to that ugly <xxx> [>] beach.
*DAF: <to the puddle> [<].
*SHI: to the puddle ya.
*FAT: no [/] no this is new brunswick.
%sit: all laugh
*MOT: this is new jersey.
*SHI: in sproutlake we also went <em to> [>] the puddle.
*KOB: <in the puddle> [<].
*SHI: ya but that was in a puddle i mean that was +...
*DAF: that was a bigger puddle.
*NET: oh did mommy come to that one?
*MOT: i don't think so.
*NET: oh that was the one [//] that was that time that it looked like a beach a little?
*DAF: <ya> [>].
*MOT: <yes> [<][>].
*FAT: <ya> [<] exactly.
*DAF: a little very little.
*MOT: &=laugh .
*FAT: you notice everbody gets very animated when we talk about america and +...
%sit: all laugh
*MOT: and how we can be degrogatory.
*FAT: it's a hot subject around here.
*MOT: but neta did you use two rows or just one row?
*MOT: when you rowed ?
*NET: each [/] each girl did one [/] one row and that way we [/] could [/] we could em [//] we didn't have to do both <xxx> [>].
*SHI: <that's what> [<] we did in sprout lake.
*SHI: cause otherwise we would fall apart.
*MOT: fall apart?
*SHI: well the xxx would they would <fall into the water> [=! laugh].
*MOT: &=laugh .
*MOT: it's hard +/.
*NET: no these were connected.
*MOT: ah they were already put in ah so you didn't drop it in.
*NET: except they [/] they were crashing into other people's boats and so it wasn't really good.
*MOT: cause the area is really small.
*NET: no it's like (.) the size of this living room.
*MOT: oh that's <really big> [>].
*FAT: <that's pretty small for a xxx> [<][>].
*KOB: <a puddle's bigger than that xxx> [<].
*NET: no what i mean [/] i mean it's bigger than that but +...
%act: end of side one
*MOT: xxx big xxx +/.
*KOB: there's a lake there?
*MOT: ya it's called the gingerville creek but it's really <big xxx> [=! laughs] +/.
*KOB: descriptions from freinds of mine is that it was like a barren em sort of area no trees +/.
*FAT: which xxx are you thinking of?
*MOT: of habonim?
*MOT: there were alot of trees.
*KOB: maybe they've +...
*MOT: first of all <maybe when i went since then <they've cut them down> [=! laughs]> [>].
*KOB: <maybe they were burned down> [<] or something.
*KOB: this a [//] people said that they called it camp sunstroke because there were like no uh +...
*MOT: really there were alot of pine trees.
*MOT: well if you compare it to california cause that's the other camp i worked at i was a malaboo i mean there were many more trees and xxx there was a much bigger forest.
*KOB: i think people were comparing it to like redwood and ah +...
*FAT: davka@s in xxx there was an opened area between <the xxx> [>] where the camp where there were no trees.
*MOT: <where in the camp> [<]?
*MOT: why so that you could walk?
*MOT: it's like a <campus where you can walk> [>] from bunk to bunk.
*FAT: <right [/] right [/] right> [<].
*KOB: maybe something happened in uh <(.) in the> [>] twenty years.
*MOT: <in the interim yes> [<].
*FAT: you're talking about the ninteen seventies?
*KOB: ninteen early seventies like sixty +/.
*FAT: so we're talking about the sixties.
*FAT: and the fifties.
*MOT: late fifties early sixties.
*KOB: ten years xxx.
*MOT: and xxx no longer belongs to habonim.
*MOT: habonim sold it and they'ev moved elsewhere.
*MOT: they bought a camp i think i don't know where.
*FAT: west virginia or no [/] no verginia.
*MOT: that's a very uh +...
*KOB: that's recent?
*FAT: meryland i don't know xxx.
*MOT: it's recent but that piece of land got them alot of money.
*FAT: I'm sure.
*MOT: a very lucritive area.
*KOB: xxx is that national habonim or is it called local habonim or is it ah?
*MOT: i don't know.
*MOT: the local habonim camping assosiation?
*MOT: I'm not sure.
*FAT: primarily the local community <(.) primarily> [>].
*KOB: <oh really so that's the> [<] national habonim.
*KOB: <xxx this is xxx> [>] +/.
*FAT: <xxx> [<] had some involvement but ah +...
*KOB: xxx just as well they probably just spent it on their debts.
*FAT: who national?
*KOB: <ya> [=! laughs] they +...
*FAT: i don't know.
*MOT: we had visitors here from the states this summer and they have children with the camp.
*MOT: many of our friends have children now of camp age and they're also going to the camp and they love the camp almost as much as we do.
*MOT: it really has a strong tradition that particular camp.
*MOT: i don't know if they went <rowing> [=! giggles].
*SHI: in sprout lake i was always afraid we were going to <em> [>] to flip over.
*NET: ima@s [<].
*NET: if it was clean water i wouldn't have minded <but it was all gross and smelly> [>] and dirty and +...
*FAT: <do you want me to do it for you> [<] ?
*FAT: so you <have to em xxx> [>] +...
*DAF: <don't eat it> [<].
*MOT: you want me to warm it up?
*MOT: it'll take two minutes.
*MOT: ok anybody else want warmed up corn?
*MOT: i'll just put it in the pot without the xxx.
*MOT: &=laugh .
*FAT: <thank you for telling me that> [>].
*SHI: <so it's like xxx> [<].
*FAT: that's for the video.
*MOT: <right ok> [=! laughs].
*MOT: you could erase that already.
*FAT: that you can erase [= teasing].
*KOB: &=laugh .
*FAT: it shows something about something.
*NET: what'd you say?
*MOT: +" I told him to take out the corn holders out of the corn when he puts it in the water to boil.
*MOT: he said “that much I know” &=laughs.
*DAF: it's not really that funny taped.
*MOT: oh well.
*KOB: do you have to em [//] back to the boats +...
*KOB: +, to go on the boats do you have to pay extra or?
*NET: yes [/] yes.
*NET: and we went on the train too.
*DAF: it's also extra.
*SHI: how come i never saw the +/.
*MOT: but this +/.
*FAT: <it's an interesting question do you have [//] you didn't have to pay for it cause it's> [>] +/.
*NET: <xxx i only went on <the> [>] train since i paid for the> [<] +...
*NET: <look> [<] !
*FAT: <xxx> [>].
*SHI: <xxx how come i've never seen it working any more> [<]?
*DAF: actually you paid xxx.
*FAT: what'd you say shira?
*SHI: doesn't [//] how come the train never runs anymore?
*DAF: because it's usually broken.
*SHI: that's a good reason.
*FAT: but today it &wo [//] it was runny today i understand.
*DAF: did [/] did they pay for the train?
*DAF: so you see that's how come it's so expensive because they get all the extras.
*DAF: they get [/] they get to go on the boat and xxx +/.
*NET: except there were other things that you do like games.
*NET: i &m [/] i mean like you can go to all kinds of places and get to do that except that we didn't do so it's like +...
*DAF: what games?
*NET: not [/] not like to see the [/] the animals but um to +...
*MOT: what kind of games?
*SHI: regular games.
*NET: like not regular games like you know when [/] when you're going into this big thing filled with these small balls?
*DAF: ya [/] ya.
*KOB: it's a thing?
*FAT: dafna understands you and nobody else does.
*KOB: i understand [/] i understand.
*KOB: understands you.
*NET: and so you +/.
*KOB: it's like at an amusement park they have a (.) <xxx> [>].
*DAF: <like you know xxx> [>].
*FAT: like that thing that you had at that party?
*MOT: <i still don't know but it's ok> [=! laughs].
*KOB: <xxx styrophome balls that you jump on> [>].
*FAT: <xxx styrophome balls and you jumps all over them> [<].
*MOT: but you have this at the zoo?
*NET: yes i just said xxx.
*DAF: <where do they have it> [>]?
*FAT: <oh so we haven't been> [<] there for a while.
*DAF: where do they have it near what near which animals?
*NET: near the (.) train.
*NET: you know [/] you know which one they also [//] <they had at> [>] the museum once?
*FAT: <was it good> [<]?
*NET: i didn't go in.
*SHI: <you know the one that you go xxx> [>].
*NET: <xxx> [<][>].
*MOT: <ya> [<].
*SHI: you know why they do that?
*MOT: it's very good.
*NET: cause [//] i don't think like it's [/] it's not something that has to do with ah [/] with what we learn and the things and so +...
*FAT: it's just for fun?
*NET: ya i mean not that the boats had something to do with that except +...
*SHI: yes they do you go to see the fish that aren't even there.
*NET: there [/] there aren't any fish there.
*NET: but like the boats had something to do with [/] with uh +...
*NET: with nature exactly and so except this has nothing to do with nature.
*NET: you see the animals in it.
*NET: you go through places that you can't walk.
*DAF: oh i see.
*KOB: xxx up in the <back> [>] there are other animals there?
*NET: <ya> [<].
*NET: yes there're animals there <except> [>] you can't see them if you walk.
*DAF: <how can> [<] +/.
*MOT: which animals?
*NET: there was [//] you saw the elephant from close up.
*DAF: <ya> [>] eleghant.
*NET: <ya> [<].
*DAF: you know you go in the back to see the elephants and in the train you don't see them from xxx.
*NET: and you saw all kinds of animals i <don't know really all their names> [=! laughs].
*MOT: xxx <do you know them in hebrew> [>]?
*SHI: <how come they don't> [<] [/] how come they don't go <over to the train> [>]?
*DAF: <they didn't explain> [<].
*SHI: how come the animals don't go over <to xxx> [>]?
*DAF: <because they have> [<] [//] they can't go out of their cages or areas xxx.
*SHI: i don't remember xxx.
*DAF: <so you don't remember well> [>].
*NET: <we sat [/] we> [<] sat three people because we wanted to sit with mixal <so> [=! laughs].
*MOT: mixul miri and you sat together?
*NET: ya so xxx.
*MOT: you want me to put margarine <on for you> [>]?
*NET: <cause we didn't> [<] want someone that was [//] that one of us would have to sit with someone like eh +...
*FAT: it sounds like it's em [//] there're a few changes since em +...
*MOT: neta suggested we go to the zoo with the family go to the zoo.
*MOT: we haven't gone all year.
*MOT: <i think we haven't gone> [>] on three [//] oh you kids have gone.
*SHI: <i've gone twice> [<].
*SHI: i've gone twice because of biology.
*DAF: i took um <(.)> [>] .
*DAF: <raxel> [<]?
*DAF: <ya when> [>] i babysat for her.
*MOT: <ah raxel> [<].
*FAT: no this is pepper.
*DAF: that was one of the most +...
*FAT: pass the salt.
*MOT: next to shira.
*MOT: take xxx.
*DAF: neta xxx.
*DAF: you know that xxx.
*MOT: i don't think so.
*KOB: eventually there'll be changes in the zoo because they're supposed to move it to em between kiryat yovel and gilo in the wadi@s there.
*KOB: its supposed to be like everything is supposed to be moving there.
*KOB: the football stadium and the zoo it's gonna be em xxx [/] to tel aviv it's going to hook up to there.
*KOB: all sorts of things.
*KOB: maybe it'll be like a long time before it's em done.
*FAT: before the messiah?
*MOT: they'll have to start (.) allowing building <xxx> [>] before the building freeze gets xxx.
*SHI: <after the> [<] +...
*DAF: and when what's his face perec@s doesn't decides to get an ishur@s lo@s livnot@s mekomot@s be# yerushalaim@s.
%com: be# yerushalaim should be bi-rushalaim
*MOT: mi@s ?
*DAF: aguda@s they want an ishur@s that they can veto &any [/] anything that they want to build.
*DAF: anything [/] anything that they're gonna want to do they wont let them do.
*FAT: and who wont let them?
*DAF: because the xevra@s le# haganat@s ha# teva@s had the veto like if they want to builed something you know.
*DAF: but they wanted you know just they say &any [/] &anywhere in jerusalem to say here was a jewish cemetery and it's just about true xxx.
*FAT: so everybody's vetoing everybody else.
*DAF: that's what he wants to get.
*DAF: <he wants [/] he wants> [>] to get an ishur@s from sar@s ha# pnim@s but he's not xxx.
*FAT: <so nothing gets done> [<].
*FAT: who wants to get an ishur@s ?
*DAF: the head of aguda@s .
*FAT: eh from perec he wants to get an ishur@s xxx.
*DAF: because he thinks that perec will give it.
*FAT: but the place that kobi mentioned seems like a good place to build things.
*KOB: xxx +/.
*FAT: no cemetaries there hopefully and no ancient synagogues.
*DAF: xxx religious people there xxx.
*KOB: that's where they're talking about the football stadium.
*KOB: so it's <about two> [>] and a half kilometers from Bait Vagan.
*MOT: <xxx> [<].
*FAT: it's too (.) <close> [>].
*DAF: <no> [<] that's too close.
*KOB: 0 [=! laugh].
*KOB: but they've already uh (.) i think it's gotten all its [//] almost all its uh +...
*FAT: ishurim@s ?
*KOB: +, ishurim@s .
*DAF: if [/] if they get what they want so with in another ten years you wont be able to do anything on shabat@s in Jerusalem.
*DAF: they'll close the whole place up.
*DAF: no one could em +...
*DAF: never mind.